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Key Points of the Case

Former Norfolk Fire Station manager John Linden is involved in an employment tribunal. He was dismissed after 32 years of service for allegedly throwing a bystander's phone. The incident, caught on video by YouTube blogger Jimmy Evans, shows an altercation between the two men. Linden claims he doesn't recall throwing the phone intentionally and that his PTSD may have impacted his reaction.

The Incident

The incident occurred at a fire scene in King's Lynn. Evans, who was filming, refused to move back from the smoke. An altercation ensued, and Linden seemingly throws an object (the phone) over a hedge. Evans' video, a key piece of evidence, doesn't clearly show the object flying. Linden's actions led to his dismissal, but he argues the video evidence is inconclusive.

Arguments Presented

Linden's defense rests on his lack of memory of intentionally throwing the phone and his PTSD diagnosis, claiming it influenced his reaction to Evans' movements. The fire service's solicitor argues that the video clearly depicts Linden throwing the phone and his account is unbelievable. Linden also claims he had no de-escalation training for aggressive members of the public, though the fire service states that it was basic job training.

Evans' Behavior

The tribunal heard evidence of Evans' confrontational behavior, including previous aggressive encounters with fire service staff and videos showing his interactions at other fire scenes where he refused police orders to leave.

Tribunal Proceedings

The tribunal is ongoing at Norwich Magistrates' Court, with further evidence and arguments expected.

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John Linden, who claims he was unfairly dismissed by the Norfolk Fire Service over the incident, has defended his actions at an employment tribunal this week.

The former station manager in the King's Lynn area told a panel of three judges he had no recollection of intentionally throwing Jimmy Evans' phone over a hedge during an altercation.

He instead believes he may have deflected the object away from him in response to a sudden movement by Mr Evans, who shares videos on YouTube under the name 'Wheelz Media'.

A video of the incident in June 2023, which was widely shared at the time, was shown to the tribunal as a key part of evidence for Mr Linden's case, who was sacked after 32 years of service.

The video appears to show Mr Linden throwing an object over a hedge (Image: Jimmy Evans)

The blogger got into an altercation with Mr Linden after approaching the scene of a fire at Hardings Pit in King's Lynn and refusing to move back away from the smoke.

Mr Evans can be heard shouting, "get off my phone", before Mr Linden is seen walking away and raising his arm over his head, seemingly to throw something.

However, the camera, which was attached to his wheelchair buggy, does not capture an object flying through the air.

The video was key to Mr Linden's dismissal, but he believes the evidence is inconclusive. 

He also claims his PTSD diagnosis led him to act in a heightened manner when reacting to Mr Evans swinging his arm towards him.

But Gus Baker, a solicitor representing Norfolk Fire Service, argued that anyone watching the video would find Mr Linden's version of events "incredible and incapable of belief."

"You snatched his phone while he was responding to you," Mr Baker claimed.

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John Linden on the scene at a fire in Brancaster (Image: Chris Bishop)

Mr Linden, together with two other firefighters, searched for Mr Evans's phone but were unable to find it, and he was paid compensation for the lost device.

BLOGGER BOTHER

Mr Evans, who uses a mobility buggy, describes his online blogging company as "auditing done on wheels".

His videos are part of a growing trend of social media accounts run by individuals filming in public spaces that often focus on police, fire and security workers.

The tribunal heard that Mr Evans, who is not giving evidence at the hearing, was known to be confrontational prior to the incident involving Mr Linden in 2023.

A second video was shared to the panel of judges, in which Mr Evans attempts to reach the scene of a fire at the Sainsbury's in Hardwick, in King's Lynn.

Jimmy Evans got into an argument with Mr Linden after approaching the scene of a fire (Image: Jimmy Evans)

Mr Evans refused to leave the area after being asked to do so by police officers and could be heard saying: "I'll go wherever I want to go. I'll do what I want when I want.

"I don't care about the frigging old bill. When will you learn I don't care about your authority?"

The tribunal also heard that Mr Evans had previously made aggressive phone calls to fire service staff at a King's Lynn station.

Mr Linden told the judges that he had not received any de-escalation training to help react to situations involving aggressive members of the public.

However, Mr Baker argued that dealing with people at the scene of an incident would be a "basic part of the job" for a firefighter of his experience. 

The tribunal at Norwich Magistrates' Court continues.

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