What's your mindset going into opening for Olivia Rodrigo? I feel people who are fans of her are fans of you and people who are fans of you are fans of her.

I feel like there's some crossover, just because we're both in the same age group and we're both cute girlies, but actually the more I think about it I feel like there's less crossover. I'm realizing slowly that people don't see my music as pop music at all, and some people really see it in their own lane, whereas Olivia is very much down-the-line pop.

I think people aren’t going to be really familiar with me at those shows, which I'm very excited about because it means I can expose new people to my music. It is also nerve-wracking because I think part of me is like, wow, are they going to even going to fuck with me?

I can't just put on a good performance at those things. I have to put on a performance where we're convincing people to listen to me. It’s a very unique thing I have to think about. But I'm really excited and I do really love her.

Do you see yourself as a pop artist?

Sometimes I do. I feel like some people, publications, and award shows really don't know where to place me and therefore because they don't know where to place me, they kind of just leave me out a lot, which is kind of frustrating.

Sometimes, I just kind of want to put myself into pop so that I could have the same opportunity as everyone else. But then in some ways, I'm like, I'm very much not a pop artist because I don't present like one, I don't really sing like one.

For sonic purposes, I definitely don't think it's pop. But I think for convenience purposes, I would just love to be called a pop artist. It just feels so much easier. But maybe that's just me probably being lazy.

Can fans expect new music soon? What direction would you want to make your new project in? Is there a genre that you want to experiment with that you haven't touched yet?

There's a pop equation right now which needs to be solved. And that's a very bizarre sentence, but no one's quite able to figure out how to do pop. And I feel like the girlies are killing pop right now, but for me personally, I want to tap into pop in a different way.

The fact that Estelle made “American Boy,” but there's never been any other song to ever sound like it to replicate the same vibe as it, to even come close to reaching it. We need to break it down. Estelle is not only Black, she's also from the UK, she's British. It's a will.i.am-produced track. She got a Kanye feature on this track. She got John Legend in the video. There are so many layers to that song that no one else has ever, no one's come close to touching it.

Wherever I'm making a song, I always think about that song. And it's not about making a song that sounds like “American Boy,” but it's about definitely tapping into something that she did when she made that song because it's never been done since. It's either her whole career or that song specifically for her, it is definitely something that I need to figure out. That's definitely just great pop. That's what I'm trying to do.